Monday, January 12, 2009

Something has to Change

This summer we squeaked our way through our normal and expected financial crunch. It is never fun, but it is expected. We prepare the best we can and hunker down. This summer was particularly tight, draining our savings. Finally, in the fall, the income picked up again and we had a little breathing room. Then Wham!


We took hits from every side. We lost a renter, had bizarre plumbing issues, household appliances revolted, and of course there was Christmas. Without having time to rebuild our savings, you can guess where we took many of these hits; in our credit card balances. 

I spent the months before Christmas very angry and frustrated about our financial situation. Over the last six years we have cut back. We make do and go without. We clip coupons, raise our own food, and buy used. I do not mind this life style, but the lack of progress to getting out of debt is downright disheartening.  

Then I had to face an ugly truth. We've been in denial. Even when we feel like there is a little breathing room in the budget, we are falling behind in our debts. There is this rather large elephant in the room called Student Loans that we are trying to ignore. 

Our student loan payments are roughly the same as our house payment, and growing. Student loans are oh so easy to rack up. We did not borrow wisely. Student loans are also so easy to put into forbearance. We qualify for an economic hardship forbearance, and we have been using it. 

It is not a wise choice. The interest on the loans continues to be charged and capitalized. The payments do not have to be made, but the principal balance is ever growing, ever becoming the crushing weight of more debt. We can not go on like this. 

So, the next question is where is that money going to come from? Even if we were only making minimum payments on our other debt, there would not be enough to pay the student loan. Cutting expenses would be the next logical step. We have already cut and cut, and though I can think of a few small things they do not come even close to meeting the monthly requirement of the loan. 

The next place to turn is to try to increase our income. My husband has a decent paying job that he loves. He would consider switching jobs for better pay, but what is out there? Not much, especially right now. Should he take a second job? He already is teaching a class once a week during the school year, and is looking at taking on a few private students too. His time is stretched, especially in the fall, and there is a small farm to help care for. 

Should I go back to work? Let's put aside that I feel very strongly about being home for my children, and that homeschooling is the best option for our family. Going back to my previous career would require a few college classes (and more student loans)  first. I would be working the same hours as my husband, requiring us to pay for childcare for two, even if we put the others into public school. 

Could I work in the evenings? Perhaps I could work in retail or restaurant  on the weekends or evenings when my husband was home. The pay would not be as much, but we would avoid childcare costs. I'm not sure that I could keep our expenses as low if I were working. Would I still have time for all the coupon and sale shopping? Would I have the energy to cook everything from scratch? Would I be able to tend to a large garden? After gas and the clothing I would need for work, would we really come out ahead?

Could I work from home? Doing what? I am not sure. Writing (much to my surprise) seems to be the direction I've been heading the last few years. Pursuing that, or anything else from home, would require a lot more thought, planning, and time on my part. Would it pay off?

Then there is bankruptcy,  an option I never thought I would consider let alone  mention publicly. It has come up several times in our discussions about finances. I know it is not an easy fix. There are consequences. It would not take away the student loans. They will remain, but perhaps with out the other debt we could actually pay off the student loans. I'm not so worried about my credit score, but I do feel responsible for our debts and do not take bankruptcy lightly. 

These are hard times. As I said in a previous post, no one likes hard times. I am no exception. My emotions have ranged from anger to depression while trying to think through this situation. But hard times do force change. There are no easy answers, and every choice has consequences I do not like. Though I am not sure how, I do know at this point something has to change. 


23 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am sorry you (and many others) are having financial problems. At least you and your husband are talking about it and not ignoring it.

Do you have someone - a close friend, family member, banker - that you could have look over your budget and debts? You and your husband are emotionally involved and perhaps someone who isn't, but still has your best interests at heart, could help you see ways to cope that you haven't.

I wish you the best - Bellen

Wife to 1, Mom to 5 said...

Dave Ramsey literally saved my marriage. I don't say that about just anything either. We were in such deep debt and saw no way out other than to split up, declare bankruptcy and try to rebuild our lives separately. Husband and I do not see eye to eye on money ~ how to make it, how to save it, how to spend it, how to pay off debt. Lets just say I'm the hoarder, he's the non-hoarder. Anyway, I got Dave's book from the library 2 years ago and got excited. Finally, a way out of the mess we had created. Then, we volunteered to work at a Dave live event since we couldn't afford the price of admission. Finally, husband saw the light and is now on board. We have been chipping away at the debt for a year now and are just NOW starting to see/feel progress. I encourage you strongly to NOT give up! There is always hope. You can listen to Dave's show live on the internet for free and of course check out his website. Get a copy of his book ~ any of them is a great start. I wish you the very best. I've been there and beyond, but there is HOPE and you CAN do it!!!!! Hugs from Kansas.

Mandi said...

Bankruptcy may seem like an option, but you cannot bankrupt out of Sallie Mae. After bankruptcy you still have to pay off student loans on top of all of the other bills and issues that bankruptcy brings.

Kristina said...

Oh, I know where you are coming from. Student loans and credit card debt are killers! But, don't declare bankruptcy unless it is your absolute last choice. My suggestion would be for you to find a part-time evening job. Mind, you're going to have to be uber-organized to keep you on the frugal bandwagon. That means planning/freezing meals, taking your own meals to work, etc. You can't let your part-time job take away from your goal of saving money/paying off debt. We were in a terrible financial crunch 2 years ago. It was awful. I went to work 5 nights a week at a 24 hour Walgreens. I worked approx 35 hours a week and I hated it. I hated being away from my kids and my husband. BUT. The extra money I brought it really took the burden off our bills and the thing I kept telling myself is: "THIS WON'T LAST FOREVER. This is only temporary to help us get out of the jam we are in." I worked like this for 9 months. I was exhausted but at the end we had eked our way out of a terrible situation. I had to become completely organized with prepared meals/crockpot meals. We survived and are so much better off now. Good luck and God bless!

Milehimama said...

I have made a little money writing for Associated Content. I basically just depersonalized some of my blog posts, so it wasn't "new content".

I work from home writing, and have a couple of leads here and there of how/where to find work if your interested. Beginning writers don't get paid a ton, but something is better than nothing!

Alexandra said...

That's tough. Can you consolidate all the debts onto a lower interest loan? It would give you some wiggle room, and more of your payments would go toward principle with a lower rate. Maybe look into a HELOC - Chase has one for 4.5%. We have one and the payments are very low, but we pay more to get it done with. we paid off our mortgage(not much left) with a HELOC in order to get a lower interest rate. Weird, but it worked. Then we rotate what we can out off it onto zero interest cards, so the rate is even lower.

Rotation is down by using the zero interest cards, and paying the balance of these cards to the HELOC. This gets around transfer fees. We are not adding to the debt because we pay off balances in full. When the zero card comes due, we pay it in full from the HELOC, or rotate it again through another one. It's sort of an arbitrage arrangement. My husband knows exactly, but I think we cut off 2 years of payments with this arrangement. It only works if you can pay your balance in full on the zero cards, otherwise you just end up adding instead of subtracting.

Even without the rotation, consolidating the debts makes sense, and then toss the credit cards if you can't pay off new balances.

Another idea, visit the free Consumer Credit Counseling in your area.

How about working at home? Maybe take in some students for tutoring, board some animals for people, or rent out land. Sell your produce?

I'll be praying for you. Sorry you are going through this. :(

Almost empty nester said...

This is probably something you have already done but I feel needs mentioning. Sometimes its not as bleak as it seems my suggestion is to list out all of the debts (totals and monthly pmts) then list out all income. Find what can be paid off e.g. credit cards, cr loans etc... and what will be recurring debt e.g. utilities, etc... work with lenders and vendors. Most times they are willing to do what it takes to have you continue paying. Whether it be lower interest rates or principles, times are tight for all now and if you declare bankruptsy they wont get anything. Also, I made sure to pay myself first before any bills. I took whatever $$ i decided $20.00, $50.00 or what i could and deposited it to my savings. It doesnt look like much but a penny saved...
Good Luck to you.

Anonymous said...

Everyone has really great ideas for helping we did all of them and more.

Cancel all items that aren't really necessary.. no Cable is not necessary -- sorry guys :( but for the ladies make-up isn't either :<

As for saving money right now,
eat lots of rice :) it is healthy and you can make some crazy dishes!


Going outside of the house for a job isn't always the best option. You have to pay for gas - any new clothes for a uniform - make sure all people in the house are on a tight schedule (can't be late to work) and tight rules (like no giving the kids extra snacks while mom is gone cause then you just ate tonight's cash I made!)
Then there is the major problem that we personally experienced, to make enough money to be worth your while you will have to work atleast 4 - 6 hours per night. You will be tired and the next morning you aren't exactly Mrs. Sunshine while at times your home and family take second place to your new job. I know lots of people who this does work for them, but for our family it just wasn't the right fit.

Not that I am an eBay fan but we have made some good money selling odds and ends. It started with a few household items and now we every so often search the resale shops and garage sales. With the new child lead law I don't think we will be messing with those items any more, but you would be amazed what you can sell online that people around the country are interested in. It is worth a try to check things out. We also stumbled upon a few free sites you can sell on. Do you make something that you could sell even at the local farmer store or flea market?


You seem to do so much that I would recommend like making and growing your own foods, cleaners and reusing items that it is hard to give you new ideas.

Something you might consider is putting up a donation button from Paypal (and I think Google Checkout) on your site.

Your information is very helpful while pleasant to read and just a little change from everyone can add up. I would love to be the first to donate if you put it up:)

BeetleEyes said...

I wish I had answers for you. Sadly, I don't. What I do have is gratitude for your honesty and openness.

I'm facing some of the same issues. There are decisions to be made and none of the choices look appealing. But now I know I'm not alone.

Gina said...

I can relate to so much that you have written from the student loans (have them) to the sudden loss of a renter (ours moved out too). Now my husband's job situation is unknown and I am feeling quite insecure to about finances. I can only offer you my empathy because I too have that feeling of being trapped.

Hang in there!

Hugs,
Gina

Joanna said...

Stephanie,
I know you're already doing all the things listed here by commenters and have been living as frugally as possible! We all read your blog because of your frugal inspirations, so I hate that, for all the places you repurpose and do-it-yourself, ends still aren't meeting.

Just remember you're loved & cared for! You've got a big God watching over you, and he'll provide- as stressful as things look right now, it'll work out in the end.

Jake said...

Delilah and I have had the same conversations. Specially during the last year. We have cut back on our spending alot, I am sure there are more ways we can cut back. Delilah does an amazing job cutting coupons. It is amazing how many groceries she can buy with very little money. I have brought up bankruptcy in our conversations. It is something we have not mentioned to anyone and it is an option of last resort for us. We are not there yet, and we believe things will turn around for us. Unforunately there is nothing to do about student loans. I would suggest sending some sort of payment in, enough to cover the interest and part of the principal, that way they will not keep ballooning. I suggest checking out Dave Ramsey (www.daveramsey.com) he was one of the first people I listened to when I lost my job. Try to call the credit card company to see if they will work with on some kind of payment plan. Ask them to drop the interest rate or see what kind of other plans they have to offer. You may have to agree to close the account to get a good plan. One of our debts is at a 2.3% rate and another is at 0% until we pay it off as long as we are not late on a payment. If you explain your situation to them and tell them you are working hard to pay off your debt they may be willing to work with you.

I have often commented to Delilah at how amazing it is you guys are making it on Tim's income. I guess you really weren't making it.

Childcare is expensive. That expense will make it tough when I find a job. It limits what jobs I will be able to take if I am offered any, based on the pay.

I always hear you have a savings sitting on the edge of your driveway in some piles. ;-)

Milehimama said...

To be fair, every family's situation is different. In our house, Cable IS a necessity.

I use cable television and high speed internet to work from home.

Milehimama said...

It's so hard when there's nothing left to cut back on, isn't it?

In the past, we've taken split shifts to avoid daycare costs. I've also had good success with a temp. agency, and ended up getting paid more per hour than I would at a store, and I had more control over my schedule.

~Mary~ 4boys4me said...

J's student loans are almost as much as our house payment, too. No fun at all. Saying a prayer for you guys. I saw a couple people mentioned Dave Ramsey. If that interests you, our church is starting a Financial Peace class Wednesday night. The kids could go to Awana and there's a nursery. I've been thinking of going but I'm not sure I'm not already doing everything he suggests. Email me if you want more details.

Anonymous said...

Stephanie,
I sure wish I could help you out some how. I don't think bankruptcy is the answer. You'll still have to pay certain bills. Can you talk to some type of financial person? for other ideas? Hopefully things will turn around for the better with our new president.....
Best of luck and wishes!
Coleen

Stephanie said...

Thanks to all of you for your support and suggestions. I have not given much response, but have been pondering it all day. I will respond with a post later this week I think.

For those of you in similar siuations, my heart goes out to you I know the stress finances can bring. Obviously I don't have the answers.

I can say that discussing it (for me on the blog, but you obviously would not have to be so public,) and getting feedback has been very theraputic. I have a new energy to tackle this problem head on. Obviously nothing financial has changed, but it feels as if part of the weight has already been lifted.

Amy said...

I so agree with Joanna, we know how hard you work and how you do so well keeping your family afloat. I don't want you to see this as a failure that you are having difficulties because you are such a great steward of all of your resources. I have no advice except to say that I am here if there is anything I can do. ((Hugs)) for your sweet family!

Anonymous said...

Hi Stephanie,

This is my first time to your blog and I couldn't believe what I was reading. We are in exactly the same situation! It can be so discouraging and stressful.

Here are some things that are working for me:

1. Where I live there is a need for substitute teachers. You don't have to be a certified teacher --just apply for an emergency substitute certificate. The school districts will have the info. The hours are flexible, I choose my days, and I am not committed to a job. If you are not qualified to teach perhaps you could be a substitue teachers aide, secretery, or kitchen aide.

2. 2010 is a federal census year. The federal government is already hiring as there are several stages of preparation. Hours are flexible, pay is pretty good, and there are different types of jobs available (enumerators, clergical, supervisory, etc.) Check your local newspaper or online for more info.

3. I trade childcare with a friend. We have made a schedule that allows us both to work part-time without worrying about childcare costs.

4. In the past I did childcare in my home. It was a hard job, but brought in extra income and allowed me to be home. Where you homeschool your own children you probably have a lot to offer. All childcare expenses (materials, food, even a portion of your utlities & mortgage) are tax write offs. The tax break was even better than the income.

5. Finally, prayer. I am a very religious person and often through prayer I have been able to find options otherwise overlooked. You are doing good things for a good purpose. The Lord knows this and will help you.

Good luck. Chin up.

Amy said...

I too, can feel your pain of student loans and credit card debt. Luckily, I never deferred my loans and I finally paid my last one off two months ago. If you just keep hacking at it, believe it or not, it will go down...or go away.

Whatever you do, DO NOT take out a home equity loan to pay off any of your debt! You will still have the same amount of debt, but then your home would be at risk.

No one wants to file bankruptcy, but I know someone who just had to a few years ago. She has been able to buy a home and a car with it on her credit history! The only thing she can't get is a credit card....not such a bad thing, huh?

Hang in there!

Debt Reduction Formula said...

That's tough, Stephanie. Thanks for being so honest.

One of my clients here in Denver is a bankruptcy attorney. He offers free consultations.

If I were in your shoes, I would at least get a free consultation to explore your options. It may turn out bankruptcy really isn't the best option. At least then you'll know.

Another possible option is debt settlement. I've only read a little bit about it -- but it might be something to explore.

Sounds like the student loans are the big issue. If neither bankruptcy nor debt settlement will wipe out or reduce your balance... then the value of pursuing either one is questionable.

Options for making a huge reduction in debt in one fell swoop:

1. Sell your home, then rent. Use equity to pay off debt.

2. Sell a car and make due with only one. Use equity to pay off debt.

These options aren't available to everybody, but they do work.

Ryan

Alexandra said...

They can take your home with bankruptcy as well. Only Chapter 13 guarantees that your home won't be sold off to cover your debts, and even then you are required to pay back at least some of your debts over a period of three to five years.

Personally I think it is better to consolidate with low minimum payments and at a low rate(if you can). You would want to pay over the minimum amount to get it paid off, but if you get in a jam, you can pay the low minimum. It gives you A LOT of flexibility. Dave Ramsey has another way of doing it which seems to work well too.

One thing abut HELOC's is that the rate is variable, so you risk getting a higher rate down the road, but I don't see this happening anytime soon. You can lock them in for 2 points higher if the rates really rise.

30klater said...

I truly hope that you can find a way to lessen the pain of your situation. I can't say that I feel your pain but I fear that I am quite close to it.

Thank you for being so open and honest about your finances.

Don't give up hope...it will get better someday!

Sam